AI In Poses
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@MisterBoring said in AI In Poses:
I could reasonably see imposter syndrome being just as much of a cause for jumping to ChatGPT for posing. I know I struggle with imposter syndrome regularly, and when I make a 2 line pose that describes my characters actions and dialogue in only the most basic terms, I honestly wonder if I shouldn’t just quit for being abjectly bad in comparison to some of the excellent prose I see my scene partners producing.
I’ve said my piece of my dislike of what LLMs generate (what they are doing is not writing) on a qualitative level before so it didn’t seem necessary to say it again. It also gets into matters of taste that are whatever, if someone loves playing with ChatGPT that ain’t my business. But, I assure you, there are some of us out there who would much rather play with a real person whose writing wasn’t the best than try to read purple autocomplete nonsense.
ETA: This gets back to the original peeve that restarted this conversation. If a game allows or doesn’t care about players or staffers using LLM-generated content, then whatever, my problems with it become Me Problems rather than the game’s problems and I’m probably just in the wrong place. But it seems like it’d head off a lot of problems if people doing it said they were doing it so people who didn’t like it/weren’t comfortable with it didn’t have to waste their time
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@MisterBoring said in AI In Poses:
when I make a 2 line pose that describes my characters actions and dialogue in only the most basic terms, I honestly wonder if I shouldn’t just quit
I’m sorry you feel this way, and I’ve heard people say this before, but ChatGPT churn is not the answer.
@tsar said in AI In Poses:
Just write the short pose. I beg. I’m tired. Don’t make me read all that, lol.
In this very thread people are saying they would just prefer your short pose. Short poses are fine. Sometimes tiny poses are excellent and desirable. Like @tsar and @Third-Eye, I would much prefer to read a normal small pose than an LLM-addled longer one.
We all, in the end, RP with people who like our unique (human!) pose style and we avoid or less frequently interact with people who don’t like our unique pose style. If someone doesn’t like what you do, you probably don’t need them in your online life.
Use your unique human pose style, short or long or whatever it is. ChatGPT churn is not the answer.
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@Ashkuri said in AI In Poses:
In this very thread people are saying they would just prefer your short pose. Short poses are fine.
I have no interest in ChatGPT for creative purposes, and my little use of it for non creative purposes is dwindling down to zero mostly because I’ve quit the few things I was using it to help me with altogether.
My poses however, some months definitely rub my imposter syndrome the very wrong way. I may play in 5-6 scenes in a month, and in those scenes hundreds of lines of prose are created. When I look back at the logs, and see that I’m only responsible for maybe 10 lines in 6 scenes, I question whether I’m actually participating in the hobby or just being a virtual wallflower.
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What about using ChatGPT to try and improve your creative writing?
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Then it’s possible you need to look for other metrics to judge your or your writing partners on, rather than word count, when insecurity is gnawing on you. For example, maybe looking at what information your character provides, or how they move the scene along.
Given that the trend in MUSHing seems to be towards asynchronous rp more generally (I know there are mixed opinions on this but it’s still increasingly common) the ability to read, comprehend, and bang out a three paragraph response to a post in eight minutes is less a limiting factor.
That isn’t to say that physical issues or mental processing might not still be barriers of entry at the current pace, but it’s probably true that writing and refining a query to chatgpt and performing edits on it Is actually a similar mental and physical load to the process of typing out a short but meaningful response, because if you care about the scene and not just prompting your rp partner to feed you their next response, you’re going to care about what your character does, and how. And chatgpt won’t always get that right.
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@MisterBoring said in AI In Poses:
@Pyrephox said in AI In Poses:
Ooh! Ooh! I’ve seen this movie! Would you kill a member of your family because the crazed cult that’s taken you hostage says it’s the only way to save the world? What if actual airplanes started crashing? What if, what if, what if a vision from a god said you had to plunge that knife into someone or the world would end?
Ooh Ooh! I totally dismiss other people’s perspectives on things because I haven’t lived them and don’t believe they could exist.
Have you lived it?
Has anyone lived it? Can you cite a single actual case of someone needing, specifically, an LLM and not any of the other tools that have been outlined in this thread and that people with disabilities have been using with success for decades, using an LLM to “pose on time” and being removed from the hobby or shunned for it when people find out?
Or, instead, is this simply your building a torturous “what if” scenario to justify why it is Right and Good Ackshully for you to do what you plan to do anyway and just don’t want to experience any negative consequences from.
Just use your AI, man. If anyone gives a shit, it’s because what the LLM gave you to put out in the world is dreck, and people don’t like dreck. They won’t play with you, and that’s okay. No one owes you RP. Just find someone else who also uses LLMs, introduce your chatbots to one another, and discover that you can now use BOTH hands to fab to your TS.
There’s no witch hunt. Just people deciding what, and who, they do or do not want to play with. Find your fun, recognize it won’t match with others, and stop trying to make it a righteous crusade.
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@Pyrephox said in AI In Poses:
Can you cite a single actual case of someone needing, specifically, an LLM and not any of the other tools that have been outlined in this thread and that people with disabilities have been using with success for decades, using an LLM to “pose on time” and being removed from the hobby or shunned for it when people find out?
Without someone coming forward to admit it here (and I doubt they would because of the stigma we’ve already witnessed in this thread), I can only provide cases where people with disabilities are turning to LLMs as assistive tech.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0262885624004529#sec4
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@Pyrephox said in AI In Poses:
There’s no witch hunt
I never said there was. I was proposing the hypothetical case of someone who has to rely on an LLM for their own actual disabilities, which given the state of the health care system in the US and other countries, makes sense to me.
I even got my answer and that was generally: people who use AI, regardless of the reason, are contributing to a horrible industry that shouldn’t exist.
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If someone tells me with a straight face that they need ChatGPT because they have a disability that makes them unable to write, I view that with the exact same incredulity if they’d announced that they need Stockfish on the side because they have a disability that makes them bad at chess. It’s absurd. If I wanted to play against a computer, I’d just … do that.
I have to wonder why such a hypothetical person insists on playing a game around creative writing in a time sensitive environment if they struggle so much with creative writing in a time sensitive environment. Asynchronous RP would do a lot more for them, and we’d actually get to read their writing rather than the output of “Dave eats his porridge. ChatGPT pad this to 4 paragraphs of waffle”.
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A while ago I was in an event scene with someone that could not string sentences together to save his life. No real regard for capitalization or punctuation, but he was able to communicate what he was going for. Sure I’d prefer something more polished, but his character was amusing, and he rolled with the punches. He wasn’t boring. He was real. He was genuine. It was clear to me because every word he managed to type at us, no matter how mangled, was something from his own mind. I’m not really sure what my point is. I don’t really know how to explain that it’s important, at least to me, to know that the word you’ve included in your pose was something you chose, you settled on.
I know of another player that was pretty fast and loose with punctuation, and happened to be… pretty boring. They came to an event I was running and we had a minor little poetry contest. A poet character came up with a sweet and snappy haiku. Then, noticing positive reactions, fast-and-loose belted out an 8 stanza rhyming poem in 3 minutes, perfectly formatted, entirely different from that player’s writing style. I was baffled at first. It did not cross my mind that someone would’ve gone out of their way to generate something like that for a silly poetry contest. The stakes could not be lower.
I guess I want to know what people mean by improving their poses. Making them longer. Filling in the gaps? Do you simply give the LLM a prompt like “respond posing my character takes off his coat and goes into the kitchen to make something”? Is it more detailed than that? Simpler?
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@MisterBoring said in AI In Poses:
makes sense to me
Okay, just for clarity here is why such a case doesn’t make sense to me for our particular hobby: The disability you’re describing, at least as it seems to me, is a disconnect between one’s creative brain and physical ability to output that creativity onto the page with any degree of accuracy or timeliness. Problem exists between brain and output.
Given how LLMs have been presently, commercially implemented they don’t solve any solely brain-output problems. They solve the brain bit, really, really, really badly. To interface with an LLM with any degree of what could arguably be called success typically requires typing, or speech, so this hypothetical disabled person would have to have already solved the problem that you’re asserting LLMs will solve in order to interact with out hobby.
Can LLMs be of benefit to people with disabilities? Fuckin’ probably, I dunno, I’m not an accessibility expert. But given that turning brain creativity into text words is the hobby as far as I see it then, I’m sorry, but if outsourcing the creativity part is somehow how you need to overcome your disability, then perhaps this hobby isn’t for you.
If a person is so disabled that they cannot climb a mountain without the aid of a helicopter, then I would assert the same in their case: The process is as much a part of the hobby as the end result, you may be better served putting your energy into a different pastime.
