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    AI In Poses

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    • GashlycrumbG
      Gashlycrumb @Trashcan
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      @Trashcan’s got it. Spot on and according to Hoyle and so on.

      @Trashcan said in MU Peeves Thread:

      Do you think it’s fair that people ask AI users to disclose it?

      It’s not unfair to ask, but you know they won’t do it.

      "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
      – A. Bertram Chandler

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        Juniper @bear_necessities
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        @bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:

        Also I ran a bunch of my poses through ChatGPT and asked if AI wrote it and it said it was debatable and so maybe I’m just secretly a robot.

        Yeah, I don’t think anyone is asking the idiot machine if it wrote people’s poses. You’d get better results from a magic 8-ball.

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          Pyrephox Administrators
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          I don’t spend too much thought worrying about if someone used an LLM to write their poses, their desc, or anything. I just ask myself ‘was this person fun to scene with’ and ‘do I want to scene with this person again’.

          I suspect, if I’ve had LLM RP, my answers to the latter two questions are ‘no’ more often than they’re yes. And I don’t need to know that it’s because it’s an LLM: people have been boring and incoherent posers for decades without help. LLMs just, honestly, make the pablum spelled correctly and with better grammar.

          (And, if anyone’s worried about being seen as posing-by-LLM, just focus on being reactive and attentive to other people’s characters and really present in the vibe of the scene, and you should be fine, more often than not. No one has ever said, “OMG, I had so much fun RPing with this person…what if they were using AI??”)

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          • GashlycrumbG
            Gashlycrumb @Trashcan
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            @Trashcan said in MU Peeves Thread:

            It calls on you to contribute fun to the community of players.

            https://youtu.be/0FNZfR4bGw4?si=8GD4M9l1v_JAXux3

            Fun, fun, fun
            It’s the finest thing under the sun
            Now we all need it badly
            So help yourselves madly
            For fun, fun, fun

            Fun, fun, fun
            It’s a must since the world first begun
            For there’s no doubt about it
            You can’t live without it
            It’s fun, fun, fun

            The birds in the trees
            All the birds and the fleas
            And the spiders when their webs are spun
            Even rabbits and mices they all have devices
            For fun, fun, fun

            Everyone, one, one
            Will have soon got the blues on the run
            If from Jan to December
            They’ll all be remembered
            As fun, fun, fun

            Let’s have fun…

            "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
            – A. Bertram Chandler

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              dvoraen @Pyrephox
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              @Pyrephox What if we RP’d about becoming AI’s IC? A transhumanism plot, etc.

              full circle gif here

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              • MisterBoringM
                MisterBoring @dvoraen
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                @dvoraen said in MU Peeves Thread:

                What if we RP’d about becoming AI’s IC? A transhumanism plot, etc.

                This gives me an idea for a Transhuman Sci-Fi MU where several NPCs are AI played by AI.

                Proud Member of the Pro-Mummy Alliance

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                  RightMeow
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                  Not really what the conversation is about, but to find out if it’s AI, you post it to AI and basically say: Did you do this?

                  I don’t know why, but I find that both sad and completely hilarious.

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                    Pyrephox Administrators @RightMeow
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                    @RightMeow said in MU Peeves Thread:

                    Not really what the conversation is about, but to find out if it’s AI, you post it to AI and basically say: Did you do this?

                    I don’t know why, but I find that both sad and completely hilarious.

                    And then the LLM gets it wrong, because it doesn’t actually know how to analyze anything.

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                    • Third EyeT
                      Third Eye @RightMeow
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                      @RightMeow said in MU Peeves Thread:

                      I don’t know why, but I find that both sad and completely hilarious.

                      There are a couple times I’ve gotten an LLM to almost 90% replicate what someone has ‘posed’ or ‘written’ (LLM’d) on a MUSH by using a prompt that was more or less asking for the same thing. It is, indeed, both hilarious and maddening.

                      I want something else to get me through this
                      Semi-charmed kinda life, baby, baby
                      I want something else, I'm not listening when you say good-bye

                      She/Her or They/Them

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                        Tez Administrators @Pavel
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                        @Pavel Forked. Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention.
                        a man wearing sunglasses a fur coat and a horseshoe necklace

                        Dipping into my history of DMs with @Third-Eye, my favorite AI-detector, here are some things that pinged my AI-meter for @bear_necessities :

                        There’s something truly mesmerizing about XXX’s presence. It’s like he’s emitting an intense, fiery glow from within. His eyes, mouth, and nostrils seem to burn with the ferocity of molten lava, casting an ethereal, otherworldly light. This inner fire not only enhances his formidable presence but also symbolizes the burning passion and strength that define him. Smoke, too, spills from his nose. With this newfound volcanic essence, XXX becomes a formidable guardian, infused with the ancient power and spirit of Mount Fuji.

                        XXX’s unique blend of martial prowess and poetic talent makes him an intriguing character. Others might be drawn to his ability to balance the warrior’s discipline with the artist’s sensitivity, seeking him out for guidance or companionship.

                        XXX is deeply committed to preserving his family’s legacy and cultural heritage. Others who value history or have similar missions might find common ground with him, collaborating on projects or seeking his expertise.

                        The entity’s structure defies conventional understanding, exhibiting non-Euclidean geometry that suggests it exists both within and outside visible dimensions. This otherworldly appearance is alien, almost Lovecraftian in its visage, evoking a profound sense of awe and dread.

                        YYY has a well-defined jawline and cheekbones, giving his face a chiselled and angular appearance. He typically maintains a clean-shaven look, accentuating his facial structure. His eyebrows are neatly groomed and often expressive, adding to his ability to convey emotions effectively. He has captivating, warm brown eyes that are typically lost in thought. His eyes can convey a wide range of emotions, from intensity and determination to warmth and empathy. His hair is usually styled in a contemporary and versatile manner. He has slightly tousled hair on top, with it much shorter on the sides. His hair colour is typically a shade of brown, complementing his overall appearance. YYY maintains a fit and healthy physique. While not overly muscular, he possesses a lean and athletic build that suits his active lifestyle.

                        I have more examples, but it gives you, I think, an idea of the kinds of things that make me sit up and reach for my trusty fellow detectives.

                        she/they

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                        • bear_necessitiesB
                          bear_necessities @Tez
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                          @Tez are those AI because I’m pretty sure I read all of those in 1999 lol

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                            Tez Administrators @bear_necessities
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                            @bear_necessities I bet you did! And the AI trained on that 90s writing, too.

                            It reads AI to me, yes, and pinged as AI on multiple websites that detect AI. Is it? I don’t know.

                            she/they

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                              Juniper
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                              AI generated text typically looks at home in a game of Mad Libs which is why it loves words like “exudes”, “exhibits”, “emphasizes”, “highlights” etc. It’s an easy way for AI to get some vaguely related but illustrative nouns in there without actually constructing a pointed sentence. This is how I recognise it most if the time.

                              I don’t feed things into an LLM and ask it if it thinks something is AI written because that would be stupid.

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                                Muscle Car @Juniper
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                                @Juniper Someone here nailed it when they called it a something like “complex yet somehow boring.”

                                Got what you wanted, lost what you had.

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                                • PavelP
                                  Pavel @Tez
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                                  @Tez said in AI In Poses:

                                  Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention.

                                  a man in a suit and hat is standing in a park with his arms in the air

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                                  BE AN ADULT

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                                  • SolsticeS
                                    Solstice
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                                    I thought about this thread when I was in a scene where someone was clearly struggling to get their point across.

                                    You know the type, the RPer who’s a little bit new and is flailing a bit, has some phonetic typos, and is coming off a bit flat, but they’re very earnest about it.

                                    This thread made me appreciate that they’re clearly putting in the effort to write their own stuff rather than just slamming it into ChatGPT to try to keep up.

                                    Struggle on, new writers. We do see you improving with every session.

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                                      Warma Sheen @somasatori
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                                      @somasatori said in AI In Poses:

                                      I have a question. What do you get out of MUSHing, a hobby wherein you write paragraphs at people in a turn-based format, when you’re not actually doing the writing? What’s the end goal there?

                                      I’ve had this conversation with more than a few people and one of the most common themes that came up: an experience as close to tabletop gaming as possible, but without being crapped on because of not being able to put out AP English writing or wait 20 minutes per exchange for all the editing.

                                      MU*ers can be catty, judgemental, petty, elitist, etc… to a higher degree than any I’ve ever known, probably to do with internet anonymity, which is one of the reasons the hobby continues to grow smaller and smaller. I’ve never known a community so highly motivated/invested in killing itself off as intensely as this one, and I’ve known some pretty shitty communities in my life (I’m old… er now.)

                                      People show up to MU*s for very different reasons and it sometimes seems like a large number of people assume that everyone else around them is there for the exact same reason as them then get frustrated/confused when they don’t play the way they would.

                                      I’ve had the conversation on other threads, so I won’t get into it again here if people reply back to tell me all the ways I’m wrong, but taking a tool that improves writing and using it on text based game seems like it would be a godsend to cure many of the ills that people have complained endlessly about for decades - bad writing, lack of storytellers, no interesting plots.

                                      But to each, their own. People will feel how they feel about it and that’s okay, I guess. Its just sad for me cause I loved this hobby and I really thought this might actually put some life back into it, like CPR. So it was disappointing/sad/whatever when all the villagers pointed at the thing that could bring someone back to life thereby improving the outlook/prosperity of the entire community, called it a witch, and want it burned at the stake.

                                      ETA: Not for nothing, but to go along with the analogy, some non-small portion of the thread is basically a witch hunt - with dubious degrees of accuracy.

                                      @Pavel said in AI In Poses:

                                      I can understand people using it as a translator.

                                      I know you mean that it takes Spanish and makes it English. But it seems like that also could apply to taking Shitty English and translating that to English.

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                                      • KarmaBumK
                                        KarmaBum
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                                        There are people that I played with for years who are so boring, so uncreative, so repetitive and lacking spark that - by the metrics above - they are definitely being controlled by an LLM. There are times that my own writing is so flat that I would be less embarrassed if ChatGPT had written it.

                                        While I don’t particularly want to RP with a robot, I don’t have space in my brain to start worrying about whether or not someone I’m writing with is now or has ever been an AI.

                                        ^ part of that reply was written by ChatGPT

                                        …or was it?!

                                        On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                                        • bear_necessitiesB
                                          bear_necessities @KarmaBum
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                                          @KarmaBum This. At this point, if someone is secretly an AI? Fine. As long as they bring more spice to the table than “grim man in a trench coat who sighs meaningfully,” they can beep-boop their way right into my scene.

                                          ^ I might’ve also written part of this with AI. Or not. Who knows? It doesn’t matter. Just be interesting.

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                                          • TrashcanT
                                            Trashcan @Warma Sheen
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                                            @Warma-Sheen said in AI In Poses:

                                            I’ve had the conversation on other threads, so I won’t get into it again here if people reply back to tell me all the ways I’m wrong, but taking a tool that improves writing and using it on text based game seems like it would be a godsend to cure many of the ills that people have complained endlessly about for decades - bad writing, lack of storytellers, no interesting plots.

                                            Let’s grant for a second that these are ills that ChatGPT (and other LLMs, but based on the stats, it’s ChatGPT) can cure.

                                            Genuinely, if I can have a better time engaging with content from ChatGPT, then why do I need the other person in the loop at all? Because their (evidently) poorly-written self is somehow so much better and more effective at prompting than I am? Because I enjoy the randomness of whatever they might happen to throw at it? Why is the other person involved here? Why should I wait for them to pose back to me instead of asking ChatGPT myself? Someone explain it to me.

                                            he/him
                                            this machine kills fascists

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